Minutes from the Errata Task Force Conference Call August 11, 2003
Attendees:
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aaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper
a----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings
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a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd
--a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa
aaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch
aaa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil
aaa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce
aaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson
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--a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick
-----------------*aa Elliot Mednick
a-------aa---------- Don Mills
aaa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence
-------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi
aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty
--a----------------- David Smith
a-a----------------- Dennis Brophy
aa------------------ Francoise Martinolle
Minutes from the 7/14/03 meeting. Shalom moves that we accept the minutes
from the 8/11/03 meeting. Anders seconds. No opposed. Cliff abstains.
Passes.
Action Items:
(4/21/03) 9: Gord to determine a location of the proposal in
conference with Cliff.
(7/14/03) 16: Shalom volunteered to drive. He needs to formulate some
wording to improve what is there according to the concensus.
Also, he wants to formulate a possible problem and get some
reaction before he gets a formal proposal.
(11/18/02) Gord and committee to return with a generate proposal
for 17, 113, 208, 255.
Gord sent an initial draft of a bunch of text. He has
received some feedback, and it will take some work to
incorporate it.
(11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for
issues 22, 82, 84
To be resolved after generate.
(7/14/03) 35 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282),
but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule.
Shalom agrees that 35 should be marked as closed as covered
by 282.
(7/14/03) 83 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282),
but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule.
Shalom suggests that we leave 83 open. It deals with the
interaction of real an other operands.
(11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are:
Gord
165 13.11.1, A.2.1.1 -- reuse task_port_type
170 formatting of bnf non-terminals - Shalom sent something
one stage before a proposal
(11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a
significant rewrite.
(8/11/03) 175: Anders volunteered to drive
(11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are:
Charles
197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility
Some progress this last week. May have a proposal
this week.
(11/18/02) 198: Shalom Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are:
198 sinks should allow only constant part-selects
Shalom will make the smaller change to allow port
expressions to be what is allowed on the lhs of a
continuous assignment.
Shalom may get to by the next meeting.
(7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive
He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some
complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and inout.
That is covered by issue 54.
As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples
indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will
do that.
(7/14/03) 206: Shalom volunteered to drive
90% done. Next week?
(7/14/03) 209: Shalom volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 211: James volunteered to drive
localparams are not available for override.
(7/14/03) 225: Anders volunteered to drive
proposal exists.
(7/14/03) 226: Brad volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 227: Anders volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 233: Anders volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 234: Anders volunteered to drive
(2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42
Ted Elkind, Dave Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked
them. Charles will check.
(7/14/03) 245: Shalom volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 247: Anders volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 257: Brad volunteered to drive
(7/14/03) 258: Brad volunteered to drive
Issue discussion:
SV-BC Issues requiring resolution: (ETF issue number: SV-BC issue
number)
-237: 19-41, 19-42
Ted Elkind, Abe Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked
them.
-326: Escaped names not clearly defined. Issue sent to sv-ec and
forwarded to us. This is a PLI issue number 307. We will
keep this item; however, we are waiting for PTF resolution of
307 before we address this issue.
(- lack proposals)
Issues with Proposals:
9: Gord and Cliff are still working on it.
175: Should be moved back to the open state. Shalom to drive the issue.
192: Shalom moves that we accept this proposal with the modification
noting that the separate issue mentioned in section 5 was filed
as 395. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes.
205: James moves that we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No
opposed. No abstain. Passes.
217: The proposal was offered that we could allow parameters only in the
module scope. Localparams could be used however.
Everyone is going to go think about it.
225: Anders moves that we accept the proposal. Shalom seconds. No
opposed. No abstain. Passes.
Annex G has a list of defines for VPI direction. No direction
ports are null ports.
There are a number of places in the standard that discuss port
direction, but they do not mention no direction ports. Shalom
is wondering if the standard needs to be clearer. For now, we
will assume there is no issue.
226: The proposal is to add an example indicating that the parentheses
are required. Several simulators accept the code without the
parentheses.
Straw poll: loosen restriction on bnf? Shalom. Gord. Mac.
Proposal as it exists today: Anders. Brad.
Abstain. Steven. Cliff. Charles. Kurt.
Brad moves that we reject this proposal. Gord seconds. Anders
opposes. Cliff, Kurt, Charles, Steve abstains. Passes.
Brad takes the action correct the BNF.
237: Charles has not heard back yet. We'll vote next time.
272: How about creating hierarchical_constant expressions rather than
moving the BNF to use constant_expressions that does not allow
hierarchical reference.
Brad moves that we reject this proposal. Shalom seconds. No
opposed. No abstain. Passes.
338: Shalom moves we accept this proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed.
No abstain. Passes.
356: Shalom moves we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed.
No abstain. Passes.
361: Shalom moves we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed.
No abstain. Passes.
379: Shalom moves we close this as a duplicate. Mac seconds. No opposed.
No abstain. Passes.
402: Steven to investigate the issue. We will revisit the issue next time.
Next Meeting is 9/08/03 at 8:30am Pacific.